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Below and the next couple of messages are some items that were taken from ParaNet regarding John Lear. Please bear in mind that ParaNet makes no claims as to the veracity of the material. Lear approached us with the material for distribution over the network back in 1988. I am also including some additional material for balance. There is a considerable amount more where this came from, but this will be sufficient to satisfy your requests on this net.
Michael Corbin
Director
ParaNet Information Service
John Lear has requested that the following file be published on ParaNet. It
is our philosophy to encourage debate on paranormal issues, no matter how
controversial, and we welcome his input. The information contained in this file
has not been verified by ParaNet, nor do the opinions expressed herein
necessarily reflect those of the Administrator or other ParaNet staff members.
We can state, however, that John is who he says he is, and has numerous
contacts in sensitive positions that could conceivably allow him access to
information of this type.
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Statement Released By:
John Lear
December 29, 1987
John Lear, a captain for a major US Airline has flown over 160
different types of aircraft in over 50 different countries. He holds
17 world speed record in the Lear Jet and is the only pilot ever to
hold every airline certificate issued by the Federal Aviation
Administration. Mr. Lear has flown missions worldwide for the CIA and
other government agencies. A former Nevada State Senator candidate,
he is the son of William P. Lear, designer of the Lear Jet executive
airplane, the 8-track stereo, and founder of Lear Siegler Corporation.
Lear became interested in the subject of UFO's 13 months ago after
talking with United States Air Force Personnel who had witnessed a UFO
landing at Bentwaters AFB, near London, England, and three small
aliens walking up to the Wing Commander.
Note to the Press:
The government of the United States continues to rely on your
personal and professional gullibility to suppress the information
contained herein. Your cooperation over the past 40 years has exceeded
our wildest expectations and we salute you.
"The sun does not revolve around the Earth"
"The United States Government has been in business
with little gray extraterrestrials for about 20 years"
The first truth stated here got Giordano Bruno burned at the stake in AD
1600 for daring to propose that it was real. The second truth has
gotten far more people killed trying to state it publicly than will ever
be known.
But the truth must be told. The fact that the Earth revolves around the
sun was successfully suppressed by the church for over 200 years. It
eventually cause a major upheaval in the church, government, and
thought. A realignment of social and traditional values. That was in
the 1800's.
Now, about 400 years after the first truth was pronounced we must again
face the shocking facts. The "horrible truth" the government has been
hiding from us over 40 years. Unfortunately, the "horrible truth" is
far more horrible than the government ever imagined.
In its effort to protect democracy, our government sold us to the
aliens. And here is how it happened. But before I begin, I'd like to
offer a word in the defense of those who bargained us away. They had
the best of intentions.
Germany may have recovered a flying saucer as early as 1939. General
James H. Doolittle went to Sweden in 1946 to inspect a flying saucer
that had crashed there in Spitzbergen.
The "horrible truth" was known by only a very few persons: They were
indeed ugly little creatures, shaped like praying mantises and who were
more advanced than us by perhaps a billion years. Of the original group
that were the first to learn the "horrible truth", several committed
suicide, the most prominent of which was General James V. Forrestal who
jumped to his death from a 16th story hospital window. General
Forrestal's medical records are sealed to this day.
President Truman quickly put a lid on the secret and turned the screws
so tight that the general public still thinks that flying saucers are a
joke. Have I ever got a surprise for them.
In 1947, President Truman established a group of 12 of the top military
scientific personnel of their time. They were known as MJ-12. Although
the group exists today, none of the original members are still alive.
The last one to die was Gordon Gray, former Secretary of the Army, in
1984. As each member passed away, the group itself appointed a new
member to fill the position. There is some speculation that the group
known as MJ-12 expanded to at least several more members.
There were several more saucer crashes in the late 1940's, one in
Roswell, New Mexico, one in Aztec, New Mexico, and one near Laredo,
Texas, about 30 miles inside the Mexican border.
Consider, if you will, the position of the United States Government at
that time. They proudly thought of themselves as the most powerful
nation on Earth, having recently produced the atomic bomb, and
achievement so stupendous, it would take Russia 4 years to catch up, and
only with the help of traitors to Democracy. They had built a jet
aircraft that had exceeded the speed of sound in flight. They had built
jet bombers with intercontinental range that could carry weapons of
enormous destruction. The post war era, and the future seemed bright.
Now imagine what it was like for those same leaders, all of whom had
witnessed the panic of Orson Wells' radio broadcast, "The War of the
Worlds", in 1938. Thousands of Americans panicked at a realistically
presented invasion of Earth by beings from another planet. Imagine their
horror as they actually viewed the dead bodies of these frightening
looking little creatures with enormous eyes, reptilian skin and claw
like fingers. Imagine their shock as they attempted to determine how
these strange "saucers" were powered and could discover no part even
remotely similar to components they were familiar with: no cylinders or
pistons, no vacuum tubes or turbines or hydraulic actuators. It is
only when you fully understand the overwhelming helplessness the
government was faced with in the late 40's that you can comprehend their
perceived need for a total, thorough and sweeping cover up, to include
the use of "deadly force".
The cover-up was so successful that as late as 1985 a senior scientist
with the Jet Propulsion Laboratory in Pasadena, California, Dr. Al
Hibbs, would look at a video tape of an enormous flying saucer and state
the record, "I'm not going to assign anything to that (UFO) phenomena
without a lot more data". Dr. Hibbs was looking at the naked emperor
and saying, "He certainly looks naked, but that doesn't prove he's
naked."
In July of 1952, a panicked government watched helplessly as squadron of
"flying saucers" flew over Washington, D.C., and buzzed the White House,
the Capitol Building, and the Pentagon. It took all the imagination and
intimidation the government could muster to force that incident out of
the memory of the public.
Thousands of sightings occurred during the Korean war and several more
sauces were retrieved by the Air Force. Some were stored at Wright-
Patterson Air Force Base, some were stored at Air Force bases near the
location of the crash sight.
One saucer was so enormous and the logistic problems in transportation
so enormous that it was buried at the crash sight and remains there
today. The stories are legendary on transporting crashed saucers over
long distances, moving only at night, purchasing complete farms,
slashing through forests, blocking major highways, sometimes driving 2
and 3 lo-boys in tandem with and extraterrestrial load a hundred feet
in diameter.
On April 30, 1964, the first communication between these aliens and the
U.S. Government took place at Holloman Air Force Base in New Mexico. 3
saucers landed at a prearranged area and a meeting was held between the
aliens and intelligence officers of the U.S. Government.
During the period of 1969-1971, MJ-12 representing the U.S. Government
made a deal with these creatures, called EBE's (Extraterrestrial
Biological Entities, named by Detley Bronk, original MJ-12 member and
6th President of Johns Hopkins University). The "deal" was that in
exchange for "technology" that they would provide to us, we agreed to
"ignore" the abductions that were going on and suppress information on
the cattle mutilations. The EBE's assured MJ-12 that the abductions
(usually lasting about 2 hours) were merely the ongoing monitoring of
developing civilizations.
In fact, the purposes for the abductions turned out to be:
(1) The insertion of a 3mm spherical device through
the nasal cavity of the abductee into the brain.
the device is used for the biological monitoring,
tracking, and control of the abductee.
(2) Implementation of Posthypnotic Suggestion to carry
out a specific activity during a specific time period,
the actuation of which will occur within the next
2 to 5 years.
(3) Termination of some people so that they could function
as living sources for biological material and
substances.
(4) Termination of individuals who represent a threat to
the continuation of their activity.
(5) Effect genetic engineering experiments.
(6) Impregnation of human females and early termination of
pregnancies to secure the crossbreed infant.
The U.S. Government was not initially aware of the far reaching
consequences of their "deal". They were led to believe that the
abductions were essentially benign and since they figured the abductions
would probably go on anyway whether they agreed or not, they merely
insisted that a current list of abductees be submitted, on a periodic
basis, to MJ-12 and the National Security Council. Does this sound
incredible? An actual list of abductees sent to the National Security
Council? Read on, because I have news for you.
The EBE's have a genetic disorder in that their digestive system is
atrophied and not functional. Some speculate that they were involved in
some type of accident or nuclear war, or possibly on the back side of
and evolutionary genetic curve. In order to sustain themselves they use
an enzyme or hormonal secretion obtained from the tissue that they
extract from humans and animals. (Note: Cows and Humans are genetically
similar. In the event of a national disaster, cow's blood can be used
JOHN MACK, A HARVARD PSYCHIATRIST AT THE FRONT LINES OF
UFO ABDUCTION RESEARCH, IS CONVINCCED THAT ABDUCTEES ARE
NOT MAKING UP THEIR STORIES : " I ENCOUNTERED SOMETHING
HERE THAT DID NOT FIT ANYTHING I HAD EVER COME ACROSS IN
40 YEARS OF PSYCHIATRY. "
John Mack still remembers the conversation he had with Carl Sagan, back in the 1960s. Mack, a Harvard psychiatrist and psychoanalyst, was intrigued by talk of UFOs and wanted to hear Sagan's thoughts on the subject, which had been the focus of a recent, well-publisized govern-
ment inquiry.
" Sagan had had something to do with the Condon Committee, which had reviewed the whole question of UFOs," recalls Mack,"and he said, with great authority, 'There's nothing to it. There's no substance to it.' Well, Carl was an authority figure to me, a prominent scientist and a friend, so I let it go."
And that was that, as far as Mack was concerned, until some twenty years later, when a friend invited him to meet Bud Hopkins. Hopkins, a New York artist and sculptor, is one of the leading investigators of reports by individuals who claim to have been abducted by UFOs.
"I said, 'Who's he?' - which shows you how familiar I was with the phenomenon," says Mack. When the friend explained Hopkins' work, Mack responded, "What? There must be something wrong with him and the people he meets with." But on January 10, 1990 - Mack remembers the date as if it were a birthday or an anniversary - the two men met and spent a few hours dicussing the cases Hopkins had researched. The studies were compelling and unlike anything Mack had come across in nearly 40 years of clinical psychiatr
ic work; he knew immediately that the final word on UFOs no longer rested with Sagan and the Condon Committe. "I came away somewhat shaken and fascinated," he says of the meeting with Hopkins. "It was a mystery. I'd never taken abductions seriously at all. I realized at this point that this was something I had no way to explain."
In the nearly three years since his meeting with Hopkins, Mack has joined the front lines of abductee research. He has investigated almost
70 cases of abductions and conducted hundreds of hours of interviews and
treatment. He has been the subject of a network docudrama. He has been criticized by the press and lashed out at by scientists. He has organized support groups and professional conferences. He has also become convinced that abductees are not making up their stories - and that their experiences may present a shock as great and transforming to the foundations of science as did Copernicus' proof that the Earth is not the center of the universe.
" I encountered something here, very early on, which I saw did not fit anything I had ever come across in 40 years of psychiatry," says the 63-year old Mack, founder of the psychiatric department at Cambridge Hospital (which is affiliated with Harvard Medical School) and winner of a 1977 Pulitzer Prize for his psychoanalytic biography of Lawrence of Arabia. "The deeper I went into it," he continues," the more and more information I got that doesn't fit anything else. This has all kinds of implications for
our scientific world view, for our identity as a species on this planet."
Typically, Mack says, abductions are highly traumatic experiences, often repressed and usually called forward only with great pain and stress. Almost always, individuals report seeing small, gray beings with huge dark eyes who transport their immobilized subjects to some sort of spacecraft, where the captives are probed in a battery of tests that appear to relate to sexual and reproductive experiments. Many abductees, or "experiencers," report a long history of abductions. Mack has found that parents who
have had many experiences often find that their children become abductees as well. In almost every case he has investigated, he says, people are reluctant to face what has happened.
" One of the most powerfully consistent aspects of this for me has been the tremulousness with which these people come to see me," says Mack, who has a contract with Scribner to write a book on his findings. "They come to me very fearful that either they will be found crazy, because what they've experienced doesn't fit ordinary reality, or that they'll be found not to be crazy, and then they're faced with the fact that these are real experiences, and what does that mean for their world view, for their fut
ure, for their lives?"
Of the several dozen cases he has investigated, Mack says, only two or three individuals suffer from some form of mental illness. There is no particular type of person who experiences abductions and no apparent reason why some people are selected as abductees. Among the people Mack has interviewed are a musician, a prison guard, housewives, secretaries, a psychiatrist, college students, a retired firefighter, and a restaurant owner.
Fundamental to Mack's convictions about these experiences is the fact that, over and over, abductees - who come from all over the country and who do not know one another - tell remarkably consistent stories. Details may vary, but the narrative thread is so similar from case to case that Mack is convinced that the experiences are not imagined. If they were simply made up or were the psychic byproduct of some other traumatic event, he says, the accounts would vary more widely, because of the individuality o
f each human psyche.
"What struck me almost immediately," he says, "was my inability, as a psychiatrist, to explain how people who seemed otherwise quite normal, quite unremarkable, could be telling the same, disturbing story, in geat detail: of being taken from their rooms, their cars, in fields, into these craft and subjected to highly intrusive procedures that have a unique quality.
"There's a whole medical-like scenario, which is not known to us on Earth," he says, " and yet it's told by people all over the country, in great detail, details which were not available in the media at the time and are still not in the media in the kind of detail these people reported. And these stories were consistent, one to the other.
"The thing I've spent most of my professional life in," says Mack," is learning to make clinical psychological discriminations, like,'Is this projection? Is this hallucination? Is this real experience? Is this a dream?' And this [ abduction phenomenon ] behaves like real experience.
"I have never had a sense, and I trust myself in this, clinically,"he
says," that this phenomenon represents some kind of psychological contagion, that people are influencing each other, or that these experiences are derivative of something they've read or heard from someone else, or that they're reflecting off the consciousness of another person's experience. I've never had a suggestion of that."
Although Mack's earliest cases were referred to him by Hopkins, increasingly he contacted by people who have read his comments in stories about UFOs, or have seen him interviewed on television. (Mack tends to turn down interview requests, because he believes too many reporters trivialize or sensationalize abductee cases.) After a recent conference at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology on the abduction phenomenon, cosponsored by Mack and MIT physicist David Pritchard, Mack was contacted by a woman w
ho had read a story about the meeting and wanted to see him.
Unlike many experiencers, the woman could recall - without hypnosis -
a variety of alien contacts, going back to early childhood. She could also recount more current experiences of being visited in her home by aliens, who came into her bedroom, floated her into the living room, and performed a series of intensely painful explorations into her spine with sharp instruments.
More commonly, abductees report what Mack calls a "margin of consciousness," where memory recalls an experience to a certain point and then blanks out, leaving individuals with chunks of unaccounted-for time. Under hypnosis, a practice criticized by disbelievers but defended by Mack as an important tool for uncovering repressed information, experiencers are taken back to the last moment they consciously remember
such as the appearance of a small being in their bedroom or the presence of a blue light.
As details surface, an anguished mental struggle often occurs. Mack cites the case of a 38-year old Pennsylvania man with a long history of abduction-related experiences. All the man could recall of one recent experience, which began as he was trying to fall asleep, was the presence of a female alien in the room. (Abductees, says Mack, can almost always identify the sex of aliens, despite the lack of obvious sexual characteristics.)
Like many who undergo hypnosis, the man resisted recalling the experience, asserting that the aliens had told him not to remember what had happened. The man's story, says Mack, unfolded with " tremendous distress, sweating, and pain and anguish." There was also he says, a great sense of shame and a fear of being vulnerable, which Mack worked to dispell, trying to reassure the man that his experience was not a reflection of weakness but something over which he had no control.
"And, at a certain point, there was a breakthrough," says Mack. "He began to sob. It was so touching, because he'd been fighting with himself and with his unconsciousness, and at that point, he crossed a line and just let go. It was just this tremendous release."
What unfolded during the narrative was a story common among abductees, one Mack had suspected in this particular case because of the shame and vulnerability the man had expressed. Like many male abductees, the man recalled that he had been taken onto a craft, where he was sexually probed, and a sperm sample was forcibly taken from him.
Mack says that another emotion surfaced, common among experiencers. "I've seen it so many times now," he says. "It's a sobbing that goes along with a sense of awe. Have you ever been moved by something in nature or something in art or music? It's like you're humbled before God, you're just so moved by the spectacle, by the awesomeness of what's before you. It was that quality [in the man's sobbing], a combination of relief and awe. And the awe had to do with, Oh my God, what an extraordinary thing it is t
hat has happened to me.
"Again, it's a question of clinicl judgement," he says. "When memories come back like that, I never have any question that these people are describing something that has authentically happened to them. If I do get a case, as I occasionally do, where I feel that somebody is looking to convince themselves or me that they were abducted, I don't count those cases. I don't include them among the authentic ones."
Since beginning his research nearly three years ago, Mack has established a support group that meets at his Brookline home once a month. In the quiet of his wood-pannelled, book-lined living room, 20 to 30 people share their stories, often expessing great relief at being able to talk to others who have been through the same thing. Their stories coincide on many levels: They talk about the prescence of light and the ability of aliens to transmute into a sheer light force. Often the light is connected with
healing; abductees say that fevers and other illnesses disappear as a result of an abduction. Many say that a vibrating energy courses through their bodies when the aliens take them from their homes. Physical marks are often left on experiencers' bodies: small incisions or scoop marks, which appear to be the remnants of surgical procedures.
Overwhelmingly, women and men recall sexual encounters and experiments. A wide variety of reproductive stories abound, with many women claiming to have been impregnated by aliens, who then remove the embryo immediately or on a subsequent abduction. Some women say their captors have taken them to nurseries where hybrid babies are being raised.
Mack is well aware that the stories stretch the bounds of credibility.
And he know that, like Hydra, every theory about abduction leads to a dozen new questions. Yet he is undeterred in his conviction that the abduction phenomenon cannot be dismissed.
"No one has been able to come up with a counterformulation that explains what's going on," he says. "But if people can't be convinced [that this is real], that's okay. All I want is for people to be convinced that there's something going on here that is not explainable. That something is entering these peoples lives that we don't understand.
"If we can be in that place of not knowing," he adds,"we're likely to learn more than if we try to stick this here, or stick it there, or if we vclose our minds and try to keep this under control."
The outrageous headlines are familiar to anyone who has ever stood in line at a supermarket checkout ry good indicator, when people in academic degree programs want to do their thesis on something," notes Mack,"Then you know it's reached a level of legitamacy.") He has also met with a "quite prominent" Harvard physics professor, who was "very interested and very open", but said he couldn't talk about the abductions "around here" - meaning the building on campus where the professor teaches.
"Little by little, people are coming into this thing," says Mack, whose work with abductees is partially supported by small grants from private foundations. "It's still not the way a young person can make a career in mainstream academic institutions, but it's a very exciting field. I have a kind of faith that if you really are truthful about what you see, and you do your work with integrity, that people will eventually come around. If they don't come to the point of agreeing with it, at least they'll begi
n to notice it."
Mack, however, is well aware of the fact that many physical scientists dismiss his work out of hand. Those critics, he contends, simply haven't explored the evidence or are too bound by the conventions of science to consider information that is not strictly measureable by machines or the physical senses. When doubting colleagues listen to the tapes of sessions with abductees and spend time with him, discussing his research, Mack says, "they tend to be staggerred by the phenomonon." And while those colleag
ues may not become believers, he continues, "Some of them say 'I've gone from atheist to agnostic on this.'"
Dr. Edward J. Khantzian is one of those colleagues who have heard Mack present his data and calls it "very, very compelling stuff." Khantzian, an associate clinical professor of psychiatry at Harvard Medical School at the Cambridge Hospital, says that Mack "has taken a lot of disbelievers and had us scratching our heads, wondering what is this that he is studying. He's at least made a lot of us stop and think again, which is what he's always done."
"I don't know what tomake of it ultimately, and I'm basically somewhere between being a disbeliever and an agnostic," says Khantzian, who has worked with Mack for nearly 30 years. "But as far as I can tell, he's operating as a careful clinician in these studies, and that's what I respect. I don't understand it, I'm still dubious, but I respect his right to search it out to the fullest."
Mack take most comments from doubters and skeptics in stride. But the generally soft-spoken psychiatrist does become incensed by the flat dismissal of abductees stories' by disbelievers, a rejection that Mack says only helps add to a sense of isolation already felt by traumatized abductees. "It the experience of the abductees," he says, " the aliens seem to come from another dimension. They seem to break through our sense of reality of this space-time physicalist world, to come from some other plaqce. Abd
uctees will describe the sense of space aious revealed that man's conscious mind was not all that was in control of his life.
Mack says he still has no answers about what the abductions mean or why they happen. Although some researchers in the field believe that the primary purpose of the kidnappings is to carry out some form of breeding program, Mack sees a more transformational element to the abductions: an attempt to alert humans to the need for change in their lives.
Abductees frequently report that during their time on alien spacecraft, they are shown powerful visual images of environmental destruction on Earth. Many return with a passionate commitment to protect the planet. Mack interprets the warnings, and the increased awareness among individual abductees, as an attempt to reconnect humans with a heightened sense of spirituality. It's a quest, he says, best summed up by the poet Rainer Maria Rilke, who wrote:
"That is at the bottom the only courage that is demanded of us: to have courage for the most strange, the most singular and the most inexplicable that we may encounter. That mankind has in this sense been cowardly has done life endlessharm; the experiences that are called 'visions,' the whole so-called 'spirit world,' death and all those things that are so closely akin to us, have by daily parrying been so crowded out of life that the senses by which we could have grasped them are atrophied. To say nothin
g of God."
Other civilizations, including Eastern and native cultures, have been far more fluent than the West in communing with experiences that defy understanding in terms of physical reality, says Mack. He argues that the Western world of the past few hundred years may have reached a dead end of sorts - and that the abductee experience may be part of a move away from the strict confines of materialism.
"It may be that we're on the brink of some kind of major opening to our proper place in the universe," muses Mack. "I think, in this society, we're involved in a major epochal shift. I don't know what the purpose of all this is, but it certainly is some kind of profound connecting of us beyond ourselves."
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In article <YeqoSLi00iUyE6PuR=@andrew.cmu.edu>, Andrew Todd Weinstein <aw2s+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
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>Couldn't they use this 2-mile gun to shoot nuclear waste and other earth
>wastes like from garbage dumps out into space, since the gun would be a
>farily cheeper method of doing this than if chemical propellant
>spacecrafts were to be used. And you don't need as many resources as
>spaceships, since you can probably power the gun with nuclear power
>which is not a problem?
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You fool, what about us younger genaration who will have homes out in
space in a matter of 30 or less years?? Are you one of these people
who declare that they are environmentally friendly just so they can
have friends?? Grow up or rot.
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In article <1992Oct16.050039.12721@thunder.mcrcim.mcgill.edu> durocher@dali.mcrcim.mcgill.edu (Phil) writes:
>Yesterday's tv show "le Point" in Montreal,QC,Canada showed a good review
>of some major past events supporting the existence of extra-terrestrial
>visits to our world.
>
>One part of the show dealt with the recent (90's) Belgium interest in the
>phenomenon, due to a wave of observations that brought together the civilian
>organization SOBEPS and the belgium air force.
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>On April 7th, 1990 nearby Liege, Belgium, a color slide of a ufo was taken
>that was later on analysed by the "Ecole militaire royale" under the
>supervision of prof Marc Acheroy.
>
>The slide, after having been digitalized, was image processed to render new
>information, one of importance being the shape of the object through blue
>color enhancement.
>
>I would like to know if the data file of this famous belgium UFO picture is
>available, if anyone knows the internet address of either the prof or the
>military college I mention.
>
>I would like to use that picture in an image processing course here, merging
>several interests into one endeanvour.
In case you or someone else is interested, the Dr. Steve Greer, CSETI group went over there
(to Belgium) and took a shot at communicating with these UFO's. I guess they
were like Gulf Breeze, appearing at regular intervals, and so they figured it
was worth the puddle jump. There is a self-published book that Dr. Greer
of this group has available, and it describes C5 interaction with the Gulf Breeze
ships/occupants, and also the trip to Belgium. Very interesting reading, I
think Greer is visionary, and certainly lends a bit of inovation to a stagnatingUFO effort. A practicing physician, he is a surgeon, and a very interesting guy.
Available from Bob Brown at Video City Productions, Oakland, CA. $10 + postage.
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> I should point out that Menzel's co-author here was Dr. Ernest Taves,
> a respected psychiatrist. It was suggested in an earlier post that
> Menzel
> should have gotten proper input from a mental health professional on
> the matter of the Hill case. Obviously, he did.
What was Dr. Benjamin Simon?
> This is nothing short of slander against a respected astronomer, whose
> contributions to the science of astronomy far outweigh any those of any
> pro-UFOlogist in the field. I agree that Menzel was sometimes arrogant
> (many distinguished, elderly scientists sometimes get that way). I
> further agree that sometimes he was careless (who isn't?). But
> to call him "devious and dishonest" is a reprehensible and groundless
> insult to the memory of an oustanding scientist, who taught and did
> research
> for many years at Harvard University.
J. Allen Hynek was a respected astronomer too. How about Dr. Jacques Vallee? Should I go on? As far as contributions to the science of astronomy "outweighing any those of any pro-UFOlogist in the field" goes, that is garbage. I can make a list of outstanding scientists who are investigating or who have investigated this subject, only to find that there *IS* something going on. As far as Menzel is concerned, if he outright debunked the subject, this is not science since many of his colleagues felt diffe
rently.
> Whoever has more confidence in Friedman, who calls himself the "flying
> saucer physicist" and has been a full-time UFO promoter for many
> years, than in Dr. Menzel, is seriously deluded. Friedman has
> been promoting many UFO hoaxes over the years, including the ridiculous
> "Gulf Breeze UFO photos" and the "MJ-12 papers". If we are comparing
> credibility and character, I would rate that of a respected scientist
> like Menzel over that of a slick UFO huckster like Friedman any day.
Whatever you call Friedman, he has the credentials to back his credibility. What have you got to substantiate your background as "debunker"???
> Friedman and pals would like us to forget that, during World War II,
> virtually EVERY scientist in the U.S. became involved in military
> research, most of which was highly classified. Even the late Dr. J.
> Allen Hynek, a saint to those in the UFO movement, did classified
> research on military projects during World War II. I heard him say
> this myself. Even Asimov and Heinlein did secret military research,
> and had high clearances; does this make them suspect?
It makes you suspect! Sorry, Robert, but the position of "debunker" is currently filled. Perhaps another time, you could apply for the job.
> The "MJ-12 papers" are garbage. They were confabulated by a hoaxer
> using a photocopied signature of Harry Truman taken from a real
> letter in the Truman library. Get real.
Perhaps, but this does not in any way invalidate the phenomenon of UFOs. And, you state this as if you know it is fact. Do you know something that we don't? :-)
Organization: University of Tasmania at Launceston
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 92 02:19:41 GMT
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